Bangkok gem scam
Bangkok's infamous gem scam has ruined the holidays of many, many visitors
to Thailand and it is an important thing to be aware of beforehand if you
want to avoid becoming yet another victim. The scam is no secret - there's
warnings about it in every guidebook and in posters put up around Bangkok
by the Tourist Authority, yet many people are still caught unaware of it.
Though it does happen occasionally in other parts of Thailand, the vast majority
of incidences take place in Bangkok.The con-artists always targets the new, first time arrivals to Thailand and consequently you find them hanging around the main tourist attractions, particularly Wat Phra Kaew / Grand Palace, Wat Pho, the National Museum and Wat Arun. New arrivals are often somewhat surprised at the friendliness of people in the Land of Smiles, and unfortunately can become a bit too trusting of strangers which leaves them vulnerable to this scam. What we've described below is a typical example, but there are many variations.
It
usually starts with a male stranger approaching you on the way to or nearby
any of main tourist attractions, and telling you that you can't go in at the
moment. They can come up with dozens of reasons why: "Oh didn't you know
it's a Buddhist holiday today", "closed for cleaning", "closed
for repairs", "closed because the monks are chanting now",
"it's only open on Wednesdays" etc. By far the best approach is
just to ignore anyone trying to talk to you on the way in, which may
seem rude but it can be very difficult to get away if you start any conversation
with them. In the vast majority of cases, there is absolutely no truth in
what they are saying, it's just a ruse to get you started in conversation
with them. If the place really is closed, find out for yourself from the entrance
and don't take anyone's word for it. No one is going to be offended if you
try and enter, even if it really is closed for a holiday.A lot of people understandably don't want to offend or appear ignorant of Thai culture and so are talked out of going to Wat Pho or wherever it is they really intended to go. But not to worry, your new friend knows somewhere equally impressive that is still open - "the famous 100m high Standing Buddha temple". It's not mentioned in your guidebook for some reason, but he will kindly mark the location of it on your map for you. He may also casually talk about a special promotion on gems or jewelry that is on today, but will put no pressure on you to buy any.
After another 5 or 10 minutes of conversation, he will usually offer to arrange a tuk-tuk ride for you to the new temple at a bargain price (10B/20B, say, or even for free) explaining that tuk-tuks overcharge tourists and so he can get that the price that cheap for you because he is Thai. Alternatively, they claim that by taking you there and then to a special export shop they get free petrol coupons and so that is why it is cheap. Either way it's worth remembering that tuk-tuks are no cheaper than taxis in Bangkok, and you can pretty much guarantee that if you are offered even a short ride for less than 40B there is something dodgy going on.
At the new temple (the so-called 'Standing Buddha temple', 'Lucky Buddha temple' etc - really just an average temple in an out-of-the-way location), the tuk-tuk driver waits outside while you go in. Inside you'll be fortunate enough to meet a smartly dressed Thai man who speaks excellent English, and claims to be a university professor / business man / student / tourist official etc. You'll chat for a while (they often have excellent knowledge about your home country), and eventually the conversation gets round to jewelry and gems, confirming the special deal on at the moment that the man on the street mentioned earlier. Essentially, this special deal involves bulk buying gems at a low price in Thailand in order to resell them for a vast profit in your home country. This is dressed up in any number of ways - you don't buy from a shop but from a special "international export center", today is a special export day, it's an opportunity previously only open to Thai students to finance their studies abroad but now tourists can do it as well, there's a special tax break today, it's part of a tourism promotion, it's a wholesale factory price, backed by the government, you get a certificate of authenticity and a money back guarantee etc etc...And if you don't want to buy, why not come along anyway because the experts are happy to teach you about the famous Thai gems for free ?
This is all an elaborate set of lies of course, and you're simply being set up to spend a small fortune on the 'bargain' gems. The man will even mark the location of the gem shop on the map in your Lonely Planet guide for you, so you can tell the tuk-tuk driver where to go. The tuk-tuk driver, who ten minutes before could barely speak any English let alone read a map written in it, looks at your map and strangely enough knows exactly where to go.
On to the gem shop, and you are well looked after with personal service from the manager, free drinks etc. There then follows a high-pressure sales pitch, after which far too many people are persuaded to spend in the region of 100 000B (US$2500), 200 000B (US$5000) or more on gems which they hope to resell at a profit in their home country. The gem shops often pay lowlife foreigners to linger in their shop posing as a customer and casually mention to you that for years they have bought Thai gems from this shop, sold them back in France / USA / Singapore / etc, and have made loads of money doing it. A bit too conveniently, they'll have receipts and documentation on them to back-up their story.
For many people, the knowledge that a fellow foreigner has done it successfully is what finally persuades them to buy. To ensure you get the gems out of Thailand safely, with no problems from customs, the shop will offer to mail the gems to your country for you. When you actually come to buy the gems, you may find the shop doesn't have the facilities to accept credit cards itself (a warning sign in itself - Visa and Mastercard have cut them off for high levels of fraudlent transactions). You may have to go and buy gold from a nearby shop with your card and then pay them in the gold you just purchased.
What most people find out soon enough when they try and sell them is that the expensively purchased "gems" are really only worth a tiny fraction of what you paid for them. If you're lucky, you're just sold pretty bits of worthless cut-glass (if you wonder why this is lucky, see what to do after being scammed). Either way, virtually all the money that was spent on the gems is now lost. The receipt, money back guarantee and certificate of authenticity are barely worth the paper they're printed on.
The reason the shop wants to mail them abroad for you is, of course, to stop you coming back and demanding your money back when you realise what's happened. Though chances of getting your money back aren't great even when you still have the "gems" with you, they are non-existent if you have mailed them abroad. For a similar reason, after you've made your purchase they may take you out for sightseeing around Bangkok or even nearby provinces for free. This is all to try and reduce the amount of time you have to realise you've been scammed.
The shops are well aware most tourists only have a few days in Bangkok at most, so any time they spend taking you sightseeing is using up the precious time you have of realising what happened and getting the police involved, or getting to the mail center on time to intercept your package before it leaves the country.
just wondering why the government is not doing anything about this ,, it really puts people off going to thailand.
amanda
It amazes me how many people fall for scams on holiday or while travelling...I've travelled quite a lot and there is one golden rule to remember and abide by...if it sounds to good to be true it often is!
Rich
YES< we too DID visit Bangkok and WERE SCAMMED!!!! It is a GREAT PITY to do this to us, because after one visit we have not and will NEVER visdit there againand will tell our friends here in USA!!!!!
Doreen Duston
Are there any real genuine gems outlet in Bangkok. If not why are these outlets able to establish such a large stores with workers
doing the mounting and designing of jewellery.
I was there many years ago but since reading about the scams, I never visit them since then. I visited Bangkok annually on business.
E H Gan
I've just had an expreience about Gem & jewelry scam in Bangkok.
I thought i had to say goodbye to my money, but with a hope I tryed with my best, and at last my money back (of cause just 80%).
20% is for a lesson about life.
If you realise that you are in scam and the gems have been sent aboard, as soon as possible to contact to the Suvarnabumi airport (number: 02-1344295) asking about your package (dont worry about the time, you can contact whenever you want,) tell them the ID of your package they will tell you exactly the situation of it). If it's still in the air port, to fax the post office bill and write some words to them (fax: 02-1344301), they will stop to send package, then asking them where and when you can receive it ( i received my package after 1 day to contact, if you have no time dont mind to ask their help).When you have ur gems, come back the shop with some friends to tell in polite that you want to sell it back. If you have no friend in Bangkok, asking help from tourist Police (tell them that you just want to sell it back with 80% price, but afraid that the shop dont agrree so you need their help). Actually you cant have 100% ur money cause all of us to have agreement with the shop.
For all of conversation you need someone can speak Thai (I think some Thai is kind, so dont mind to ask some help for conversation).
Hope you can recover.
It's just a lesson we have to learn sometime.
Ha Vu
Hi. I was subjected to the same scam in bangkok. Was walking towards chinatown and was approached by a Thai man claiming to be an english teacher on leave. Gave us directions to the temple and on to the gem shop. We realised it was a scam. But the temple was rather lovely and without the rush of tourist crowds. As for the gem shop, we did buy some pendants and earrings for personal wear. And they were authentic and good value for money. I brought them to my usual jeweller for verification and they were fine. Lucky us.
chuishia chan
totally falled for this although we were warned by our tour guide at grand palace...you will never expect for this guys to be so organised...they really have it all well planned...this thai guy came up to us at wat pho asking where are we heading since we were looking at our map to see which direction to go and suggested us to go to marble temple and meanwhile there is this "THAI EXPORT" exhibition whcih we should go to since its a last day sale before we go to the temple and marked it on our map which also include the giant swing whcih we intended to go.. he arranged a tuk-tuk for us to 'lucky buddha' (on the tuk-tuk ride we are already started feeling weary of the whole thing as we remembered our guide advise but we just went with the flow since the tuk-tuk ride only cost 40baht) and over there we met another thai guy saying that we are not allowed in and that the monks have a visitor so we have to wait...meanwhile we were invited to have a seat with him for a 'chat'....and you can guess where it was headed....conversation eventually led to the "THAI EXPORT" that he bought jewellery for his wife and how we can also buy and suggest we can buy as souvenirs or as investment purposes where we can sell it back in our home country at a good profit and how we should really go since its the last day.
This is getting abit long winded but we went to the "THAI EXPORT" which we confirm its a scam..since it was just one of those shoplot jewellery houses...went in took walk and out we went where the tuk-tuk driver was supposed to bring us to the temple but he suddenly wanted to bring us to another exhibition which was suprise also LAST DAY....we rejected him strongly and he did not want to bring us to the marble temple anymore and instead drop us back where we wanted to go in the first place...so lesson learnt.....never trust anyone TOO nice to you....luckily all we lost was time and nothing more than that....
We were just visiting Bangkok a week ago and this is exactly what happen to us. But we realized it earlier because we thought that there are no too many coincidences happen in one time (coincidence that this is the only month that the Lucky Buddha temple is open in a month, coincidence that the driver brought us to the gem shop because it is a "passing way" to Platinum, to add up he also offer to go to another gem shop). I pity those people who needs to do this to earn money. Be careful and don't talk to strangers is the best advice....
Caroline
hi,
i had the same encountered while my stay in bangkok just few days ago, all your story appears to be happen throughout the arranged scam in my trip. it is completely matching.
i am truly disappointed thailand as a smiling land/civilized country would have these kind of low right dirty trick trying to make tourist fell into their trap.
ian
The same situation happened to me in 2000. When I reaized what was happening, my friend and I went back to the Jewelry Store and made up a lie as to why we could not afford the jewelry, but would come back another year to try again. We were promptly accosted by armed guards and separated--me to the attic, my friend to the basement. Eventually they let us go after making us agree to leave without causing problems. We went right to the police and were called 'Stupid Tourists', and told that all of the people on the Missing Persons list in that office were dead because of this scam. The police were open about being a part of the scam as well, saying that they were paid well for their part in the whole con. When they threatened to add us to the 'missing persons' list after our two day stay at the police station, we agreed to leave the building without causing any further problems. At the time, I read a statistic that 20,000 tourists from Perth Australia had been scammed by this scheme. I can only imagine what numers are involved globally.
Richard
So true, oh my god, I can't believe it.
We thought we've been so careful by thinking about it over and over again. At least we "startet" off with a "cheaper" ring - 1.000 Euro.
Tomorrow I'll call the Credit Card company to try and stop the transaction, cause the money is still on my account... wish me luck.
Oh I feel so stupid, but thank god there are others who made the same experience.
Thanks for setting up this homepage and please keep "fighting" against this unbelievable business!!!
Have u got any other tips, how to get the money back? How is the situation when it comes to the law...?
Thanks and best regards
Karoline
Karoline Nindl
Hi,
I just returned from a trip to bangkok and suffered this gem scam exactly as described above.
The only difference is you can now pay with credit cards. These do not assume the responsability so you end up paying anyway.
Fortunately, although I got the private driver also, I had the chance to search in internet for the name of the store (The Golden Argosy Factory)... my heart rate increased very fast at that moment, when I realized it was a scam.
I felt really stupid, hope I learnt a lesson at least.
I called the tourist police, but they are all in the same game, it's incredible!. They would defend the store, which only returns 20% of the value, claiming that they have to pay taxes and credit card charges for that transaction. Transaction that I am cancelling at that moment.
Normal police is also in the game, so within Thailand forget about getting more than that 20%.
I call now the embassy in my home country to find out if there is anuy chance to do something.
In case it helps I have some pictures also. Imagine, the police didn't allow me to take pictures of the store from the street, simply amazing.
Hope this helps someone.
regards.
carlos
The same thing happened to us as well (dec-2011). but we read all these blogs..after buying the stone..though we dint spend that much amount.. but 24,000 Baht is also very much for A common man like us . As soon as we read all these blogs..we went to a gemologist to test our stone. n we found it a natural one. now i am still worried whether its original or not. but really the trip was ruined after that :(
Shruti goswami
it happend to me
an offer special for the kings 60 anniversery
lucky i had seen in the pratunam hotel a note
beware of well dressed man who offers bargains i went in to the shop after two hours
i came out whitout buying
jean pierre
I am so glad I have read this information I do not usually get sucked in easily in most circumstances but I am glad that I will be aware of this scam before I arrive in Thailand
Belinda
Hi,
I've been get into the trap when a stranger stop by showing us the way to Wat Pho and Standing Buddha. We not aware there something happen actually we just thought how nice the local people is. But actually we are being cheated. The Tuk Tuk driver sent us to SNP Jewlry which they claima s Thai Export and was the last day for tourist. I want to get back my money. What can I do ? I will probably fly to Bangkok to make a police report. I dont want to see others become the next victim. Is it possible to get refund from them?
Veron
Cannot believe that I ALMOST got scammed but luckily came to my senses and realised what was going on......... Also it all happened in exact detail to how you described.... I don't know whether I ma more angry than amused that I nearly fell for it! I am making it my personal mission ofr the next two days to warn all Ferrangs!
Sarah White
I am unlucky that i had fallen into such gem scam activities by trusting an unknown man in street. I spent 100,000Baht at Pan siamese as they pressured me buying two items: yellow sapphire pendant and a yellow sapphire ring. Very very unhappy to find out the Thailand trip is cheated by arranged scammers!!!
Louisa
The tuk-tuk drivers seem to have a less costly but horribly annoying scam involving similar tactics. They try to tell you that it is a special day to go to a certain tempol or attraction and that the government will give them free gas if you stop at one extra place. It seems okay because you don't have to buy anything, it's a cheaper ride and you will be helping out the driver however 45 mins- 1 hour later, you are hot and angry. They take you to sleazy taylors who are rude and pressure you to buy. It is all together annoying! They spin it to you so many different ways that I got caught up in it twice. The best advice is even though it does seem very rude, just ignore people and don't start up a conversation because the tuk-tuk drivers will take advantage of a person's compasion in a heart beat. It's sad.
Colleen
You are 100% right in what you have said above, this happened to us in bangok last year, a smartly dressed man told us he bought gems which he was going to sell in hatton gdns which could be in the regions of thousands, we decline to take up his offer and went our way. thank god!
shenaz
We just experience this at BKK recently. Luckily we found out the scam right in the gem shop after talking to the other customers who also met the same guy. The other customers who already swipe their credit card managed to cancel it. THis is indeed a very good experience & warning should be spread out to all tourists visiting BKK. BTW, if you are offered extra ordinary low fare of taxi to anywhere else, should try to avoid it as well.
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